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| The 4 May 1945 Liberation of Berchtesgaden and Obersalzberg by the 3rd Infantry Division Outpost Europe, Society of the 3rd Infantry Division, The US Army Center of Military History, and The United States Army Historical FoundationHonor veterans on the 65th Anniversary of their liberation of Berchtesgaden
When: 3-5 May 2010 Where: Berchtesgaden and the Obersalzberg, Germany Who: Veterans, soldiers, families. MOH Recipient Colonel Charles What: 3 – 4 May – historical discussions on WWII and the Cold War 5 May – Commemorative ceremony at the 3ID Memorial on the Why: To honor the veterans Point of Contact: Monika Stoy, President, Outpost Europe |
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The 3rd Infantry Division raises the Stars and Stripes at Obersalzberg, above Berchtesgaden. The flag is raised by Read the November 2005 issue |
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A Hotel Too Far? What do you get when you transform the Nazis’ Bavarian Early in May 1945, the American Third Infantry Division—which Unfortunately, the following Click here to read the Truth! On May 4, the Third Infantry Division reached the resort town In his bunker in Berlin, Hitler was about to commit suicide. This spring, not long after the sixtieth anniversary of the end of the Until this trip, I had only a hazy idea of the geography of Hitler’s I wasn’t sanguine about making this journey. My destination was a new |
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Hitler’s retreat was also known as The Eagles Nest. The French 2nd Armored Division arrived with the 3rd Division simultaneously at Obersalzberg and the Eagles Nest (the mountain teahouse) of Adolph Hitler. |
Although Berchtesgaden was beyond the 3rd Division zone, General O’Daniel ordered the 7th Infantry to continue on through the hills to Hitler’s mountain retreat. This was the last action of World War II for the 3rd Infantry Division. |
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This is a letter in response to Major Dick Winter’s
recollections in his book “Beyond Band of Brothers”. He wondered why the
7th Infantry Regiment was nowhere to be found when Easy Company entered
Berchtesgaden after the 7th Infantry Regiment of the 3rd Infantry
Division captured it.
March 18, 2006
Dear Mr. Winters,
We are writing in regards to what you have termed the
“controversy” regarding the capture of Berchtesgaden. We are of the
opinion that there is overwhelming documentation to support the fact
that the 7th Infantry Regiment of the 3rd Infantry Division deserves the
title of “liberators”. Some, but by no means all, of the sources
follow. To preclude any inference of bias none of the sources have ties
to the 3rd Division.
In THE LAST OFFENSIVE Charles B. MacDonald states on page
442, “It was congestion, not resistance, that slowed entry into
Berchtesgaden. “Everybody and his brother,” said one radio message,
“are trying to get into the town.” Motorized troops of the 3d Division
got there first, in the late afternoon of 4 May.”
In CRUSADE IN EUROPE President, then General of the Army,
Dwight D. Eisenhower states on page 418, “On May 4 the 3rd Division of
the same Corps captured Berchtesgaden.”
In SWORDS AND PLOWSHARES General Maxwell D. Taylor,
former Commanding General of the 101st Airborne, states on page 106, “On
May 4 the Division received an order to move on Berchtesgaden behind
LeClerc’s tanks sharing the Salzburg autobahn with the 3d Infantry
Division, Unfortunately, a bridge was destroyed on our side of the
autobahn, so that 3d Division units got into Berchtesgaden ahead of us
on the afternoon of May 4, followed by two battalions of the 506th
Parachute Infantry.”
In BEYOND THE RHINE Donald R. Burgett, a member of A
Company of the 506th PIR, states on page 132, “Radio transmissions were
made by the 506th Regiment’s 2nd Battalion to 101st Command, telling of
the problem with Major General O’Daniel blocking the way. It took time
to send and receive orders to counter those of General O’Daniel. By
that time the General had received word by radio that the 7th Regiment
of his 3d Division had entered Berchtesgaden, and only then did he lift
his roadblock and allow the 2nd Battalion 506th to proceed.”
You pose the question, “If the 3rd Division was first
into Berchtesgaden, where did they go?” That question is perhaps best
answered by Professor John C. McManus of the History Department of the
University of Missouri – Rolla. In what may be the most researched and
detailed account of the capture of Berchtesgaden, “The Last Great
Prize”, published in the May 2005 issue of WORLD WAR II magazine, he
gives the following account of a meeting between Colonel Robert Sink,
your Regimental Commander and Colonel John Heintges, Commander of the
7th:
Heintges returned to his command post and was
visited by Colonel Robert Sink, the commander of the 506th Parachute
Infantry Regiment. The two men were old friends, and they warmly
greeted each other. They then sat down for a nice lunch and went up to
Heintges room for a few drinks.
Sink
turned to Heintges and said: “Well, Johnny, I’m up here … to relieve
you. My Regiment is on the way up here.”
Heintges was surprised because the 3rd Division staff
had led him to believe that the 7th Infantry would get to stay in
Berchtesgaden for awhile. “I just talked to Division a little while
ago,” Heintges uttered, “and they told me I’d be up here for five or six
days.”
“Oh yes,” Sink replied, “but those plans were all
changed and you’re going back to Salzburg.”
Heintges
excused himself, called the 3rd Division and found out that Sink was
correct. The 7th Infantry had orders to Salzburg, its original – and
authorized – zone of operations.”
It is our hope that this information will help to dispel
any doubts that you may have about the 7th Infantry and Berchtesgaden.
If this can be accomplished we all move one step closer to the end of
any “controversy”.
It is not our desire to detract from the accomplishments
of the men of Easy Company or the 101st. That would
be impossible. We seek only to have the deeds of the veterans of the
7th acknowledged for themselves and their families. Our fathers served
with the 30th Regiment of the 3rd Division in World War II. We look
upon the men of the 7th as their “brothers in arms” and will do all that
we can to insure that their deeds are recognized.
On a personal note, Lt. Col. Sherman Pratt USA (ret), a
veteran of both World War II and Korea, is a friend. In 1945 then Lt.
Pratt was in command of L Company of the 7th Infantry when they entered
Berchtesgaden on the 4th of May. After the publication of BAND OF
BROTHERS he wrote Steven Ambrose seeking and acknowledgement of the
facts. He was summarily rebuffed.
We are aware that you receive many letters and have
countless demands on your time. However, we respectfully request the
favor of a reply that we may share with Mr. Pratt and other veterans of
the 7th.
You have our deepest gratitude for your service to Our
Country, as do all those who served in whatever branch or theatre. We
wish you all only the best.
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THOSE WHO SERVE,
Lee Hatfield,
Son of Lee Hatfield 30th/3rdLewis Pergament,
Son of Hyman Pergament 30th/3rd
Michael Wells, Son
of Franklin Wells 30th/3rd
An Update on the Third Division Confrontation with
Ambrose –
Spielberg over Historical Distortion in the Berchtesgaden
Capture
by
Sherman Pratt, Lt Col US Army
(Ret), Company Commander,
Company L, 7th Infantry, WWII
and
Russ Cloer, Capt., I & R Platoon
Leader, 7th Inf. Regt., 3rd Inf. Div.,
VI Corp., 7th Army, US Army.For some months the U.S. Army’s Third Infantry Division vets have
been attempting to get Historian Stephen Ambrose and filmmaker Stephen
Spielberg (Saving Private Ryan) to set the record straight as to which
unit arrived in Berchtesgaden first.Subsequent to our earlier protests, we now find additional and
unimpeachable authorities to support our contentions. We here pass these
along to anyone interested in joining us in the struggle to correct the
falsehood of Ambrose and Spielberg.Allied Commander Dwight Eisenhower, and the CG of the 101st Airborne
Division, General Maxwell Taylor, have both specifically credited the
Third Division with the honor of entering Berchtesgaden first.In his book, “Crusade in Europe”, on page 418, Gen Ike wrote, “On May
4th….the Third Division captured Berchtesgaden,” In General Maxwell
Taylor’s memoir “Swords and Plowshares”, wrote, in part, on page 106,
“On May 4th the Division (Taylor’s 101st Airborne) received an order to
move on Berchtesgaden….unfortunately a bridge was destroyed on our
side of the autobahn so that the 3rd Division got to Berchtesgaden ahead
of us on the after-noon of May 4th.”One would think that these two honored and reliable authorities would be
more than adequate to result in a retraction and correction by Ambrose
and Spielberg. But so far, in spite of continued complaints no such
development has occurred. Again Hollywood demonstrates it is far more
interested in box office receipts than historical accuracy.Unfortunately, far too many of those men who deserved the tribute, are
no longer alive to enjoy it. But little is fair in this life. Those of
us who are still here to experience the change are happy to accept it
with the same good grace that we volunteered to serve.
The Truth! French View
Regarding the picture with de Valence, O’Daniel and Leclerc,
with gratitude to Alain Godec
Here is what Lt. De Valence said about it :
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photo of General O’Daniel, General Leclerc de Hauteclocque, and Lieutenant De Valence
was most certainly taken in Berchtesgaden on May 5, 1945, as this was probably
the only time Leclerc was wearing a “cap”. De Valence was wounded in Normandy (he lost an arm) but came back at
the end of the war, therefore being with Leclerc at Berchtesgaden.“The scene took place on the autobahn going to Munich, at a by-pass
junction to detour a river, probably the Paar river. The Tactical Group (Combat Command) of Lieutenant-Colonel de Guillebon is stopped by
the right side of the autobahn approx 100 meters away of the by-pass.
Lt-Col de Guillebon explains to General Leclerc that the Americans are
refusing to let the French pass before they, themselves, have crossed
the bridge being constructed on the river by one of their units that
belongs to the 3rd I.D.*(Also de Valence, whom I have just wrote, says that probably a unit of
the 101st did throw the bridge on the river but further in his story he
mentions that O’Daniel did say that “his men” had put the bridge.
This the reason why I have put (3rd ID. !). With your knowledge of 3rd
I.D. you may know who put that bridge, the 101st or 3rd I.D. and correct
deValence’s text accordingly.)General Leclerc who I accompany, goes to the bridge near which, and
below the road, we see a group of American officers among which is a
General. This is General O’Daniel in person, whose face does not appear
to me very friendly. He removes his glove from his right hand to shake
the hand of Leclerc who asks me to translate his words :Leclerc : ‘Why, General, are you refusing to let my Combat Command cross
which has been held back by this for an hour?”O’Daniel : “Because, General, first you are not on your march axis/route
and because second, those are my Engineers who have thrown the bridge on
the river and in consequence your element will only cross it when my
troops will be on the other side.”General Leclerc raises his voice and asks me to reply that he knows very
well that if General O’Daniel let his troops cross first, that is
because he thinks that there is no longer any German resistance on the
other side, otherwise he would let cross the French Combat Command.General Leclerc turns towards me and says to me,
“And translate this exactly what I have just said ! Repeat exactly
without changing a word !”
I must say that my translation was not as brutal. General Leclerc
turned back and got onboard his command-car, after having told de
Guillebon that his objective remained unchanged and he had, as soon as
possible, to move toward Berchtesgaden.”The 3rd I.D turned right for Berchtesgaden and arrived first. The French
followed and primarily went to the train station where they found
Goering’s train with goods and secret papers on the V1/V2 which were
later sent to France.Then an officer (Cne Touyeras) asked de Guillebon to go to the
Obersalzberg and he went there taking the left route which the Americans
still left unattended.”
The Spanish View
I was reading the “Berchtesgaden Chapter” in your father’s web and
I would add something about.As a Spaniard, I would like to tell you that one of the companies from
the French 2nd Armoured Division that arrived to Berchtesgaden – the 9Th
company from the “Regiment de Marche du Tchad” – was formed almost
entirely by” Spanish Republicans”(It was the same company that enter first in Paris).
The story of this unit is so interesting but it has been historically
silenced. They were people who can’t go back home because they were
political refugees.They fought under the French flag from 1940 to 1945. Many of them fought
with Leclerc in Africa, Normandy, Paris, Alsace, German Campaigns and
another important group of “Republican Spaniards” do the same with the
13eme Demi-Brigade de la Legion Etrengere in Narvik, Ethiopia, Syria,
Bir-Hakeim, Libya, Tunisia, Italy (Cassino), France and Germany with the
1st Free French Division.I just want to tell you that because I’ve had the chance to talk with
some of these veterans (very few of them) and they have the feeling that
history has passed over them because nobody talks about them. That’s the
reason I do.Chris Lopez
cristobal@jessedesign.comA friend from Spain
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Veterans, Members, Interested Stephen E. Ambrose, whose best-selling While an error was made in regards to Berchtesgaden, Mr. Ambrose has done much to reawaken people to the deeds and sacrifices made by members of our Armed Forces in WWII. It is for this reason that I now ask you to send messages of support to Mr. Ambrose and his family at any of the addresses listed
In past visits to our Society’s website you may have seen my letter asking for support in an effort to get Mr. Stephen Ambrose to acknowledge his error in stating that the men of the 101st Airborne were the “liberators” of I thank you for your support and wish you and your families health and happiness. ROCK OF THE MARNE Michael Wells OP 5 |
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